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	<title>Comments on: Revolutionary Road and the Myth of the Suburban Trap</title>
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		<title>By: The Dane</title>
		<link>http://www.christandpopculture.com/featured/revolutionary-road-and-the-myth-of-the-suburban-trap/#comment-44527</link>
		<dc:creator>The Dane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This conversation reminds me of our &lt;i&gt;Prince Caspian&lt;/i&gt; discussion. It is, of course, fair to compare/contrast (to use what I remember from juniour high writing assignments) the two expressions of story and fair to wonder at faithfulness of adaptation (and whether faithfulness was intended), but in all but the most experimental cases, films should be treated as separate entities.

It may be that the screenwriter wanted to be faithful to what he got out of the book, but maybe Sam Mendes vision was different. In evaluating an adapted film, we are evaluating such a film on its own terms first. We can enter into comparison if we want, but unless such comparisons seek to say something about the human condition or touch on some sociological topic (like the modus operendi of Hollywood directors), then such a comparison is really kind of a boring topic for all but the fanboi of the original work.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Danes last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/nowheresville/~3/YmyiWLQvxLo/2009_04_01_old1.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;20090417.teaParty&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This conversation reminds me of our <i>Prince Caspian</i> discussion. It is, of course, fair to compare/contrast (to use what I remember from juniour high writing assignments) the two expressions of story and fair to wonder at faithfulness of adaptation (and whether faithfulness was intended), but in all but the most experimental cases, films should be treated as separate entities.</p>
<p>It may be that the screenwriter wanted to be faithful to what he got out of the book, but maybe Sam Mendes vision was different. In evaluating an adapted film, we are evaluating such a film on its own terms first. We can enter into comparison if we want, but unless such comparisons seek to say something about the human condition or touch on some sociological topic (like the modus operendi of Hollywood directors), then such a comparison is really kind of a boring topic for all but the fanboi of the original work.</p>
<p><abbr><em>The Danes last blog post..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/nowheresville/~3/YmyiWLQvxLo/2009_04_01_old1.php" rel="nofollow">20090417.teaParty</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Charles Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 05:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas

Quite often a movie says something different than the book or story that it&#039;s based on, as everyone has said. Calling Clayton&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Gatsby&lt;/em&gt; failed says nothing of Fitzgerald&#039;s work. Saying otherwise would lead to calling a five-minute &lt;em&gt;Gatsby&lt;/em&gt; produced by a group of 9-year-olds a great work, simply because of its source material. 

What seems unfair to an author would be to imply that a poorly thought out or executed adaptation reflected at all on the original work. Consider the Bourne Identity: the movie was fun, and fairly clever. But in comparison to Ludlum&#039;s novel, it&#039;s garbage. Should we call it great simply because it bore the same name and some similar plot elements? What about &lt;em&gt;I, Robot&lt;/em&gt; or &lt;em&gt;I am Legend&lt;/em&gt; or &lt;em&gt;Batman Forever&lt;/em&gt;?

Rest assured that the review here addresses the movie as a separate work, and your disappointment seems to be shared. 

That said, I have to go see &lt;em&gt;Transformers&lt;/em&gt; tomorrow, and after reading quite a line of incredibly well written film reviews (and lamenting my own attempt at reviewing &lt;em&gt;Star Trek&lt;/em&gt;), I want different movies to review here. This and &lt;em&gt;G.I. Joe&lt;/em&gt; will probably ruin my credibility here. I&#039;ve got dibs on &lt;em&gt;9&lt;/em&gt;, Burton&#039;s always a good bet.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Charles Joness last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Pos51/~3/LsXTECJatUU/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;…and Zombies&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas</p>
<p>Quite often a movie says something different than the book or story that it&#8217;s based on, as everyone has said. Calling Clayton&#8217;s <em>Gatsby</em> failed says nothing of Fitzgerald&#8217;s work. Saying otherwise would lead to calling a five-minute <em>Gatsby</em> produced by a group of 9-year-olds a great work, simply because of its source material. </p>
<p>What seems unfair to an author would be to imply that a poorly thought out or executed adaptation reflected at all on the original work. Consider the Bourne Identity: the movie was fun, and fairly clever. But in comparison to Ludlum&#8217;s novel, it&#8217;s garbage. Should we call it great simply because it bore the same name and some similar plot elements? What about <em>I, Robot</em> or <em>I am Legend</em> or <em>Batman Forever</em>?</p>
<p>Rest assured that the review here addresses the movie as a separate work, and your disappointment seems to be shared. </p>
<p>That said, I have to go see <em>Transformers</em> tomorrow, and after reading quite a line of incredibly well written film reviews (and lamenting my own attempt at reviewing <em>Star Trek</em>), I want different movies to review here. This and <em>G.I. Joe</em> will probably ruin my credibility here. I&#8217;ve got dibs on <em>9</em>, Burton&#8217;s always a good bet.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Charles Joness last blog post..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Pos51/~3/LsXTECJatUU/" rel="nofollow">…and Zombies</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.christandpopculture.com/featured/revolutionary-road-and-the-myth-of-the-suburban-trap/#comment-44501</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, OK - point well taken.  I may have been a little harsh in my tone there - please accept my apology, Carissa.

I guess that my point is this: Revolutionary Road as a movie was intended to be an adaptation of the film, so it just seems a little unfair to Yates to review the derivative instead of the original.  It&#039;s a lot like reviewing the 1974 Jack Clayton production of &#039;The Great Gatsby&#039; and calling &#039;The Great Gatsby&#039; a really inferior work and a &#039;failed&#039; piece of art.  Yeah, you could make the argument that they ought to be viewed independently as distinct art forms, but let&#039;s be smart about how we do that.  Dealing with topics like this, we need as much nuance as possible - nuance that films sometimes aren&#039;t able to give us.

I&#039;m probably sensitive about it because I&#039;m so fond of Yates&#039; novel and was so terribly disappointed with the movie.  To be sure, there is nothing inherent about suburbia that is inherently bad.  We know that, and so did Yates (and I would venture, so does Mendes, if you&#039;d press him).  If you look closely at the book, I think you&#039;d find that it agrees with you in lots of places that you don&#039;t think that the movie does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, OK &#8211; point well taken.  I may have been a little harsh in my tone there &#8211; please accept my apology, Carissa.</p>
<p>I guess that my point is this: Revolutionary Road as a movie was intended to be an adaptation of the film, so it just seems a little unfair to Yates to review the derivative instead of the original.  It&#8217;s a lot like reviewing the 1974 Jack Clayton production of &#8216;The Great Gatsby&#8217; and calling &#8216;The Great Gatsby&#8217; a really inferior work and a &#8216;failed&#8217; piece of art.  Yeah, you could make the argument that they ought to be viewed independently as distinct art forms, but let&#8217;s be smart about how we do that.  Dealing with topics like this, we need as much nuance as possible &#8211; nuance that films sometimes aren&#8217;t able to give us.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m probably sensitive about it because I&#8217;m so fond of Yates&#8217; novel and was so terribly disappointed with the movie.  To be sure, there is nothing inherent about suburbia that is inherently bad.  We know that, and so did Yates (and I would venture, so does Mendes, if you&#8217;d press him).  If you look closely at the book, I think you&#8217;d find that it agrees with you in lots of places that you don&#8217;t think that the movie does.</p>
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		<title>By: Carissa Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.christandpopculture.com/featured/revolutionary-road-and-the-myth-of-the-suburban-trap/#comment-44495</link>
		<dc:creator>Carissa Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is only tangentially related, but I just came across &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/2009/06/i-am-bizarro-sam-mendes.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a post&lt;/a&gt; (via First Thoughts) on Mendes and suburbia in general, focusing on his latest  movie, &lt;i&gt;Away We Go&lt;/i&gt; (currently in urban, but probably not suburban, theaters): 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Sam Mendes has a new movie out. And guess what? It&#039;s not about how family life in the suburbs sucks your soul out of you like most of his other movies. It&#039;s about two young people worrying about whether family life in the suburbs will suck their soul out of them. A radical departure, eh?&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is only tangentially related, but I just came across <a href="http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/2009/06/i-am-bizarro-sam-mendes.html" rel="nofollow">a post</a> (via First Thoughts) on Mendes and suburbia in general, focusing on his latest  movie, <i>Away We Go</i> (currently in urban, but probably not suburban, theaters): </p>
<blockquote><p>Sam Mendes has a new movie out. And guess what? It&#8217;s not about how family life in the suburbs sucks your soul out of you like most of his other movies. It&#8217;s about two young people worrying about whether family life in the suburbs will suck their soul out of them. A radical departure, eh?</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Ben Bartlett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Bartlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting discussion, all.  But Thomas, really, can we try to be kinder in our tone?  Carissa has a solid and well-deserved reputation as someone whose analysis is always thoughtful and thorough.

I think she is unquestionably correct that the movie should be evaluated independently of the book.  No true lover of Narnia would want C.S. Lewis evaluated in terms of Adamson or whatever his name is.  And it would be unfair to evaluate Adamson in terms of Lewis (unfairly positive, that is).

One reason I assumed greater connection between book and movie is that I listened to an interview with the guy who did the Rev. Road screenwriting, and he strongly intended to communicate the same things as the book.  I found myself in close agreement with much of what he said about the themes of the book that he tried to put in the movie script.

At the same time, Sam Mendes also directed American Beauty, which is (to my ear) a very different story.  I wonder if he felt they are similar types of stories and directed Rev. Road poorly as a result?

Whatever the case, I appreciate you highlighting these issues.  Looks like another case of failure to create solid parrallels between the book and movie versions of a story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussion, all.  But Thomas, really, can we try to be kinder in our tone?  Carissa has a solid and well-deserved reputation as someone whose analysis is always thoughtful and thorough.</p>
<p>I think she is unquestionably correct that the movie should be evaluated independently of the book.  No true lover of Narnia would want C.S. Lewis evaluated in terms of Adamson or whatever his name is.  And it would be unfair to evaluate Adamson in terms of Lewis (unfairly positive, that is).</p>
<p>One reason I assumed greater connection between book and movie is that I listened to an interview with the guy who did the Rev. Road screenwriting, and he strongly intended to communicate the same things as the book.  I found myself in close agreement with much of what he said about the themes of the book that he tried to put in the movie script.</p>
<p>At the same time, Sam Mendes also directed American Beauty, which is (to my ear) a very different story.  I wonder if he felt they are similar types of stories and directed Rev. Road poorly as a result?</p>
<p>Whatever the case, I appreciate you highlighting these issues.  Looks like another case of failure to create solid parrallels between the book and movie versions of a story.</p>
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		<title>By: Carissa Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carissa Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas, you&#039;ll see in the first paragraph that I say I have not read Yates&#039;s novel, which, as Rich says, is a completely different critter from the movie. I think you&#039;ll find it pretty common for even professional reviewers (which I certainly am not) to review movies independently of the works on which they are based. Other reviewers have chosen a different approach of comparing the book and the movie, and many of these reviewers have suggested that Sam Mendes (and possibly the screenplay writer) misread Yates&#039;s novel. Now, it&#039;s possible that if I had read the novel, I would have interpreted the movie differently. As I watched, I kept looking for evidence of the nuances that, from most reports, are to be found in the novel--not because I had read the novel, but because I hoped for some greater complexity than the movie initially seemed to have. Whether or not the book has this complexity, the film certainly fails--not just as an interpretation of the book, but as a work of art in its own right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, you&#8217;ll see in the first paragraph that I say I have not read Yates&#8217;s novel, which, as Rich says, is a completely different critter from the movie. I think you&#8217;ll find it pretty common for even professional reviewers (which I certainly am not) to review movies independently of the works on which they are based. Other reviewers have chosen a different approach of comparing the book and the movie, and many of these reviewers have suggested that Sam Mendes (and possibly the screenplay writer) misread Yates&#8217;s novel. Now, it&#8217;s possible that if I had read the novel, I would have interpreted the movie differently. As I watched, I kept looking for evidence of the nuances that, from most reports, are to be found in the novel&#8211;not because I had read the novel, but because I hoped for some greater complexity than the movie initially seemed to have. Whether or not the book has this complexity, the film certainly fails&#8211;not just as an interpretation of the book, but as a work of art in its own right.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas, in Carissa&#039;s defense, the movie stands on its own as a work of art/entertainment, not only in the sense of the author&#039;s intent, but for all practical purposes in terms of the viewer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, in Carissa&#8217;s defense, the movie stands on its own as a work of art/entertainment, not only in the sense of the author&#8217;s intent, but for all practical purposes in terms of the viewer.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carissa,

First of all, I think that the first poster hit the nail on the head.  You seriously misread this one.

Second of all, have you read the book?

I hate to seem uncharitable here, but I can&#039;t imagine how you could write such a negative review without reading the source material.  The movie is, without a doubt, a cheap imitation of the original.  There&#039;s just certain things that you can do with words that you can&#039;t express visually.

Thomas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carissa,</p>
<p>First of all, I think that the first poster hit the nail on the head.  You seriously misread this one.</p>
<p>Second of all, have you read the book?</p>
<p>I hate to seem uncharitable here, but I can&#8217;t imagine how you could write such a negative review without reading the source material.  The movie is, without a doubt, a cheap imitation of the original.  There&#8217;s just certain things that you can do with words that you can&#8217;t express visually.</p>
<p>Thomas</p>
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		<title>By: Carissa Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carissa Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, I don&#039;t think the movie &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; highlighting the wrongness of their assumptions. From what I&#039;ve read in other reviews comparing the book and the movie, it seems like the book points a lot more towards the inner problems, as opposed to blaming them all on suburbia.

Re: &lt;i&gt;American Beauty&lt;/i&gt;, I&#039;ve also read people claiming the exact opposite! (That &lt;i&gt;American Beauty&lt;/i&gt; points to the internal soul-problems, while &lt;i&gt;Revolutionary Road&lt;/i&gt; externalizes them.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, I don&#8217;t think the movie <i>is</i> highlighting the wrongness of their assumptions. From what I&#8217;ve read in other reviews comparing the book and the movie, it seems like the book points a lot more towards the inner problems, as opposed to blaming them all on suburbia.</p>
<p>Re: <i>American Beauty</i>, I&#8217;ve also read people claiming the exact opposite! (That <i>American Beauty</i> points to the internal soul-problems, while <i>Revolutionary Road</i> externalizes them.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Bartlett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Bartlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think it is possible that the movie is actually highlighting the fact that their assumptions (about Paris being better, about being more interesting than average suburbanites, etc) are wrong?

I haven&#039;t seen the movie, but I recently read the book and that seems to be the purpose.  It displays their perspectives on the world in a way that helps you realize how empty and wrongheaded those perspectives are, and asks you to look for other solutions to your struggles with discontent.

I&#039;ve heard a lot of comparisons between American Beauty and Revolutionary Road, but the difference is that American Beauty seems to say suburbia is the problem, while Revolutionary Road says that the problem is essentially inside ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think it is possible that the movie is actually highlighting the fact that their assumptions (about Paris being better, about being more interesting than average suburbanites, etc) are wrong?</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen the movie, but I recently read the book and that seems to be the purpose.  It displays their perspectives on the world in a way that helps you realize how empty and wrongheaded those perspectives are, and asks you to look for other solutions to your struggles with discontent.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard a lot of comparisons between American Beauty and Revolutionary Road, but the difference is that American Beauty seems to say suburbia is the problem, while Revolutionary Road says that the problem is essentially inside ourselves.</p>
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