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		<title>By: Contextualized Ministry &#124; Pastor Dave Online</title>
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		<dc:creator>Contextualized Ministry &#124; Pastor Dave Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Christ and Pop Culture &#124; The Incarnation and Culture (Part III)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christ and Pop Culture &#124; The Incarnation and Culture (Part III)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Christ and Pop Culture &#124; The Incarnation and Culture (Part II)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christ and Pop Culture &#124; The Incarnation and Culture (Part II)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jason- I think in those kinds of settings one of the best things to do is actually answer questiosn that teens have about those subjects with the Bible. You don&#039;t need to change the topics, per se, you just need to speak about what the Bible says on these issues. It&#039;s helping teens to develop an all encompassing Biblical Worldview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jason- I think in those kinds of settings one of the best things to do is actually answer questiosn that teens have about those subjects with the Bible. You don&#8217;t need to change the topics, per se, you just need to speak about what the Bible says on these issues. It&#8217;s helping teens to develop an all encompassing Biblical Worldview.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus was not born in sin and had no sin in Him. He walked with power we do not find much in the church. Paul also walked in similar power.

Matthew 4:23,24 talks about the start of Jesus&#039; ministry, He taught in synagogues (churches), preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all kinds of sickness...

We are called to be separate and apart but it does not say to separate yourself from society.

I too believe we are to get out of the building and into the world but we must also be careful to be lead by the Holy Spirit.

The most obvious place to start is with family, friends and associates you may have influence over.

Don&#039;t start out trying to save the world. Jesus gives us the pattern in Acts 1:8 ...and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, Judea, and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.


After you have developed some spiritual muscles then take on some of the &quot;world&quot; around you but take a friend.  That too is part of the pattern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus was not born in sin and had no sin in Him. He walked with power we do not find much in the church. Paul also walked in similar power.</p>
<p>Matthew 4:23,24 talks about the start of Jesus&#8217; ministry, He taught in synagogues (churches), preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all kinds of sickness&#8230;</p>
<p>We are called to be separate and apart but it does not say to separate yourself from society.</p>
<p>I too believe we are to get out of the building and into the world but we must also be careful to be lead by the Holy Spirit.</p>
<p>The most obvious place to start is with family, friends and associates you may have influence over.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t start out trying to save the world. Jesus gives us the pattern in Acts 1:8 &#8230;and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, Judea, and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.</p>
<p>After you have developed some spiritual muscles then take on some of the &#8220;world&#8221; around you but take a friend.  That too is part of the pattern.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Stambaugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Stambaugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have any particular gripes with the post, but wanted to bring up a sub-topic that runs parallel to this issue of bringing the gospel to bear in culture.  I spent four years leading Young Life.  For those of you who aren&#039;t familiar, Young Life is youth ministry set up to bring the gospel to high school kids outside the walls of the &quot;church&quot;.  It is what I would like to call guerilla ministry.  It is very unorthodox and forces, I think, leaders to walk on the edge.

With that said, I became close to about 25 high school boys and girls, with about another 30 or so on the periphery.  To get close to them, to earn their trust, I would hang out with them on their terms.  As we know high school kids maintain lives that are often a far stretch from what their parents could imagine.  I was party to conversation about sex, drinking, drugs, sometimes hate...the list could go on....

But when I was there, right in the thick of it, I think this debate culture and ministry clashed.  Should I have pulled out the whip and lashed the ground and proclaimed the unrighteousness while sitting around a table at Denny&#039;s?  Or should I just try to steer the conversation toward more wholesome topics?  What would Jesus do?  

Would Jesus when hanging out with prostitutes pronounce their latest trick a terrible tragedy and a sin? Or would Jesus sit back, get close and earn their trust before pointing the finger?

What do you all think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have any particular gripes with the post, but wanted to bring up a sub-topic that runs parallel to this issue of bringing the gospel to bear in culture.  I spent four years leading Young Life.  For those of you who aren&#8217;t familiar, Young Life is youth ministry set up to bring the gospel to high school kids outside the walls of the &#8220;church&#8221;.  It is what I would like to call guerilla ministry.  It is very unorthodox and forces, I think, leaders to walk on the edge.</p>
<p>With that said, I became close to about 25 high school boys and girls, with about another 30 or so on the periphery.  To get close to them, to earn their trust, I would hang out with them on their terms.  As we know high school kids maintain lives that are often a far stretch from what their parents could imagine.  I was party to conversation about sex, drinking, drugs, sometimes hate&#8230;the list could go on&#8230;.</p>
<p>But when I was there, right in the thick of it, I think this debate culture and ministry clashed.  Should I have pulled out the whip and lashed the ground and proclaimed the unrighteousness while sitting around a table at Denny&#8217;s?  Or should I just try to steer the conversation toward more wholesome topics?  What would Jesus do?  </p>
<p>Would Jesus when hanging out with prostitutes pronounce their latest trick a terrible tragedy and a sin? Or would Jesus sit back, get close and earn their trust before pointing the finger?</p>
<p>What do you all think?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dane,

   I can see that we&#039;re roughly on the same page. And while I certainly would not want to emphasize cultural comprehension over and above gospel proclomation, it seems to me that to communicate the gospel clearly we need this cultural awareness. In the old model of evangelism you could simply proclaim the gospel because largely everyone was aware of Christian teaching (though this hardly warrents the lable of &quot;A Christian Nation&quot;). Now days, however, fewer and fewer people know and understand anything about Christianity. Building relationships is the first step to modern evangelism, and this requires cultural awareness.

Furthermore, while it is indeed true that we cannot escape culture. The fact remains that most churches exist in a culture that is purely nostalgic and non-existent in the present world they live in. They don&#039;t know how to do ministry in their new context. It&#039;s the reality of that Ed Stetzer quote above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dane,</p>
<p>   I can see that we&#8217;re roughly on the same page. And while I certainly would not want to emphasize cultural comprehension over and above gospel proclomation, it seems to me that to communicate the gospel clearly we need this cultural awareness. In the old model of evangelism you could simply proclaim the gospel because largely everyone was aware of Christian teaching (though this hardly warrents the lable of &#8220;A Christian Nation&#8221;). Now days, however, fewer and fewer people know and understand anything about Christianity. Building relationships is the first step to modern evangelism, and this requires cultural awareness.</p>
<p>Furthermore, while it is indeed true that we cannot escape culture. The fact remains that most churches exist in a culture that is purely nostalgic and non-existent in the present world they live in. They don&#8217;t know how to do ministry in their new context. It&#8217;s the reality of that Ed Stetzer quote above.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Crocker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Crocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I would just like to know if you know what a plethora is? I would not like to think that a person would tell someone he has a plethora, and then find out that that person has &#039;no idea&#039; what it means to have a plethora.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I would just like to know if you know what a plethora is? I would not like to think that a person would tell someone he has a plethora, and then find out that that person has &#8216;no idea&#8217; what it means to have a plethora.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The Dane</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I mostly agree with what you&#039;re saying, I&#039;ll focus on something I don&#039;t agree with. Yeah, I&#039;m like that!

&lt;blockquote&gt;
It means that we can no longer ignore culture (popular-
culture included) and believe that we will impact the lost.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There are two ways I could approach this and so in two ways I shall:

1) Cultural comprehension and facility, while perhaps helpful, do not seem to be any kind of necessity for impacting the unbeliever. While cultural acumen &lt;i&gt;may&lt;/i&gt; be put to use in conveying the gospel, it is the gospel that impacts lives. 

Further, Scripture makes it seem as if lives of righteousness and the works of the Spirit may also impact the lives of unbelievers. And in such passages as it recommends these things, it makes no mention of any specifically cultural involvement.

2) In a very real way, ignoring culture is impossible for all save perhaps the deeply autistic. Whether I watch television or not, I am thoroughly entrenched in the culture because I am a member of the culture. I am, in a sense, a very real participant in world culture because despite the auspices of difference (as related to niche-cultures), there is little that makes my culture honestly different from a tribal African culture or a Wall Street financier&#039;s culture. We all share in the human experience and despite value differences and varying ideologies, our experiences are not all that dissimilar. 

And for that, it is impossible for me to ignore the human culture when doing anything in life.</description>
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It means that we can no longer ignore culture (popular-<br />
culture included) and believe that we will impact the lost.
</p></blockquote>
<p>There are two ways I could approach this and so in two ways I shall:</p>
<p>1) Cultural comprehension and facility, while perhaps helpful, do not seem to be any kind of necessity for impacting the unbeliever. While cultural acumen <i>may</i> be put to use in conveying the gospel, it is the gospel that impacts lives. </p>
<p>Further, Scripture makes it seem as if lives of righteousness and the works of the Spirit may also impact the lives of unbelievers. And in such passages as it recommends these things, it makes no mention of any specifically cultural involvement.</p>
<p>2) In a very real way, ignoring culture is impossible for all save perhaps the deeply autistic. Whether I watch television or not, I am thoroughly entrenched in the culture because I am a member of the culture. I am, in a sense, a very real participant in world culture because despite the auspices of difference (as related to niche-cultures), there is little that makes my culture honestly different from a tribal African culture or a Wall Street financier&#8217;s culture. We all share in the human experience and despite value differences and varying ideologies, our experiences are not all that dissimilar. </p>
<p>And for that, it is impossible for me to ignore the human culture when doing anything in life.</p>
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