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		<title>By: Allie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>................Family Force Five is amazing. Reliant K, Hawk Nelson, Toby Mac, Matthew West, Francesa Battestelli, Skillet, Superchick, Barlow Girl, Adison Road, xD Then again, I&#039;m a teenager.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.Family Force Five is amazing. Reliant K, Hawk Nelson, Toby Mac, Matthew West, Francesa Battestelli, Skillet, Superchick, Barlow Girl, Adison Road, xD Then again, I&#8217;m a teenager.</p>
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		<title>By: The Dane</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s hope Ryan doesn&#039;t read Scott&#039;s article.</description>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 07:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t make a mistake.........

Lecrea is one of the best Christian artists around.

The song &quot;Jesus Muzik&quot; has a style that is totally intentional. If you delved deeper into his music you would discover that its the second song off an album called After the Music Stops. The first song off that album is self-entitled (After the Music Stops) and the main chorus is:

&quot;After its over.. after it ends.. after the music stops, what then? Will you understand that CHrist is King or will you just like the words we sing, after the music stops!&quot;

The idea is that he&#039;s trying to lure in fans of popular rap artists with a similar style but hook them into the Word of God. He is using a strategy to EDIFY the masses.

On a side note his lyrics and emotion in his songs set him apart from a lot of other boring Christian songs with verse-chorus-verse, Nickelback style.

Lecrea and Trip Lee are two of the best,

-Ryan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t make a mistake&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Lecrea is one of the best Christian artists around.</p>
<p>The song &#8220;Jesus Muzik&#8221; has a style that is totally intentional. If you delved deeper into his music you would discover that its the second song off an album called After the Music Stops. The first song off that album is self-entitled (After the Music Stops) and the main chorus is:</p>
<p>&#8220;After its over.. after it ends.. after the music stops, what then? Will you understand that CHrist is King or will you just like the words we sing, after the music stops!&#8221;</p>
<p>The idea is that he&#8217;s trying to lure in fans of popular rap artists with a similar style but hook them into the Word of God. He is using a strategy to EDIFY the masses.</p>
<p>On a side note his lyrics and emotion in his songs set him apart from a lot of other boring Christian songs with verse-chorus-verse, Nickelback style.</p>
<p>Lecrea and Trip Lee are two of the best,</p>
<p>-Ryan</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Simpson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lack of drugs, lack of booze, risk aversion</description>
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		<title>By: Enthusiastic, Contagious Faith &#171; &#8220;Broadcast All His Wonders!&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enthusiastic, Contagious Faith &#171; &#8220;Broadcast All His Wonders!&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I know there are a lot of negative opinions about CCM artists, and there&#8217;s just as much slanderous banter about the music they write, perform and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bert  Saraco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bert  Saraco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some interesting things have been happening in what I&#039;ll call (for lack of a better term) &#039;black Gospel music&#039; lately.
 People like Tye Tribbett and Marvin Winans have stepped out of the box as if they forget what the rules were. Tribbett, in particular, comes off as almost a Zappa-like showman with some truly wild arrangements and an energy level that&#039;s through the roof. Even the new Israel Houghton (and this was totally unexpected) solo project has elements of jazz fusion, old school, rock and pop all over it. Influences as diverse as Sly Stone, OutKast and white Heavy Metal, believe it or not. The new Donnie McClurkin has some very original moments as well..... 
Meanwhile, the reunited Superdrag (John Davis) sounds great - very punkish but with strong pop elements - great energy. While not a &#039;christian&#039; band, Davis certainly is a trong believer and it&#039;s basically his lyrics that infuse &#039;Industry Giants&#039; with strong Christian content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some interesting things have been happening in what I&#8217;ll call (for lack of a better term) &#8216;black Gospel music&#8217; lately.<br />
 People like Tye Tribbett and Marvin Winans have stepped out of the box as if they forget what the rules were. Tribbett, in particular, comes off as almost a Zappa-like showman with some truly wild arrangements and an energy level that&#8217;s through the roof. Even the new Israel Houghton (and this was totally unexpected) solo project has elements of jazz fusion, old school, rock and pop all over it. Influences as diverse as Sly Stone, OutKast and white Heavy Metal, believe it or not. The new Donnie McClurkin has some very original moments as well&#8230;..<br />
Meanwhile, the reunited Superdrag (John Davis) sounds great &#8211; very punkish but with strong pop elements &#8211; great energy. While not a &#8216;christian&#8217; band, Davis certainly is a trong believer and it&#8217;s basically his lyrics that infuse &#8216;Industry Giants&#8217; with strong Christian content.</p>
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		<title>By: ILYA</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILYA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i meant music, not misic...</description>
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		<title>By: ILYA</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILYA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emily, i like your misic taste! can I take you out for a cup of coffee tonight? ;)</description>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just thinking about this subject a few days ago while listening to a Christian station in my car.  I agree that it takes hard work to find music that glorifies God, has originality, and happens to be in a style I like.  This past year I&#039;ve found some Christian artists that I love: Newworldson, Dominic Balli, and Rootdown.  On the softer side, I like many songs by Jadon Levik and Paul Colman.  FYI...I found these guys through iTunes and the iPhone app Pandora.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just thinking about this subject a few days ago while listening to a Christian station in my car.  I agree that it takes hard work to find music that glorifies God, has originality, and happens to be in a style I like.  This past year I&#8217;ve found some Christian artists that I love: Newworldson, Dominic Balli, and Rootdown.  On the softer side, I like many songs by Jadon Levik and Paul Colman.  FYI&#8230;I found these guys through iTunes and the iPhone app Pandora.</p>
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		<title>By: Gwyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article! I agree that alot of Chirstian music is just awful. As an african-american i grew up with Gospel music which has lot more original music in my opionion. They have the standard worship songs as well, but i dont see the same patterns i see in CCM. And why is gospel music on a separate station from other kinds? its clean and family friendly as well? But anyway, as for good christian music that gets radio i have to mention my personal friend Tyrone Wells who has even been played on Smallville and other TV shows. I&#039;d also mention David Crowder Band who does a great blend of worship and share worthy songs all on one album. Check em out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article! I agree that alot of Chirstian music is just awful. As an african-american i grew up with Gospel music which has lot more original music in my opionion. They have the standard worship songs as well, but i dont see the same patterns i see in CCM. And why is gospel music on a separate station from other kinds? its clean and family friendly as well? But anyway, as for good christian music that gets radio i have to mention my personal friend Tyrone Wells who has even been played on Smallville and other TV shows. I&#8217;d also mention David Crowder Band who does a great blend of worship and share worthy songs all on one album. Check em out!</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan,  

I came across your article yesterday as I have been blogging about music more as of late. Anyway thanks for writing this, it really resonated with me.

My most recent blog post is an attempt at #4!

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Drews last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://electexiles.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/christian-music-worth-listening-to/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Christian Music Worth Listening To&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan,  </p>
<p>I came across your article yesterday as I have been blogging about music more as of late. Anyway thanks for writing this, it really resonated with me.</p>
<p>My most recent blog post is an attempt at #4!</p>
<p><abbr><em>Drews last blog post..<a href="http://electexiles.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/christian-music-worth-listening-to/" rel="nofollow">Christian Music Worth Listening To</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Christian Music Worth Listening To &#171; Elect Exiles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Music Worth Listening To &#171; Elect Exiles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by drewdixon    I came across an interesting article on a blog I frequent from time to time called: What to do about Embarrassingly Bad Popular Christian Muisc. I have often asked myself that question, there is a lot of bad Christian music out there. In fact, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: hewhocutsdown</title>
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		<dc:creator>hewhocutsdown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 15:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second MetalFRO on the hardcore bit. I used to help David Allen out with hxc.com back in the day, and remember how 7/10s of the top hardcore on mp3.com was Christian (another 2/10 were sXe)

Bands like Zao brought in what is now metalcore, hopesfall and Underoath spawned the heavy emo, Tantrum Of The Muse brought the rock, Extol and Kekal took death and black metal to the progressive edge, and Virgin Black is without parallel for doom.

You will occasionally find secular bands that match up (Opeth, Protest The Hero, etc) but there has been a significant number of bands that have come out of the Christian scenes that have shaped where we are today with heavy music.

So yes, late 90&#039;s/early 2000s in heavy music is a case in point on how TO do it.

hewhocutsdowns last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com/2008/05/celldweller.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Celldweller&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second MetalFRO on the hardcore bit. I used to help David Allen out with hxc.com back in the day, and remember how 7/10s of the top hardcore on mp3.com was Christian (another 2/10 were sXe)</p>
<p>Bands like Zao brought in what is now metalcore, hopesfall and Underoath spawned the heavy emo, Tantrum Of The Muse brought the rock, Extol and Kekal took death and black metal to the progressive edge, and Virgin Black is without parallel for doom.</p>
<p>You will occasionally find secular bands that match up (Opeth, Protest The Hero, etc) but there has been a significant number of bands that have come out of the Christian scenes that have shaped where we are today with heavy music.</p>
<p>So yes, late 90&#8217;s/early 2000s in heavy music is a case in point on how TO do it.</p>
<p>hewhocutsdowns last blog post..<a href="http://hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com/2008/05/celldweller.html" rel="nofollow">Celldweller</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alan Noble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Noble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 16:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MetalFRO,

Thanks for stopping by and commenting. The history lesson was certainly informative. I think your conclusion hits the nail right on the head: 

&quot;What I’m trying to say is that while much of the “popular” Christian music is more banal than not, there is merit to be found in some of it, and there is enough in the underground to keep you occupied, should CCM prove to be too trying.&quot;

This idea of pursuing underground acts (or quality acts in general) is exactly what I had in mind when I talked about searching for something better and spreading the word. By in large, CCM music is poor quality, but there is great music being made by believers out there, we just need to find it and support it!

On a related note, all this talk about hardcore makes me think that we should petition Scott to write something on the genre....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MetalFRO,</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by and commenting. The history lesson was certainly informative. I think your conclusion hits the nail right on the head: </p>
<p>&#8220;What I’m trying to say is that while much of the “popular” Christian music is more banal than not, there is merit to be found in some of it, and there is enough in the underground to keep you occupied, should CCM prove to be too trying.&#8221;</p>
<p>This idea of pursuing underground acts (or quality acts in general) is exactly what I had in mind when I talked about searching for something better and spreading the word. By in large, CCM music is poor quality, but there is great music being made by believers out there, we just need to find it and support it!</p>
<p>On a related note, all this talk about hardcore makes me think that we should petition Scott to write something on the genre&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: MetalFRO</title>
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		<dc:creator>MetalFRO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 16:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are a couple things that need to be said here.  Firstly, I think many of you need to remember that &quot;Christian&quot; music has come a LONG way from what it was even just 10 years ago.  That&#039;s not to say there wasn&#039;t quality music coming out the last 10 years; certainly there was.  However, I think more &amp; more artists are less afraid to internalize their secular music influences &amp; process them in more interesting ways than before.

Secondly, we have to look at it as ebb &amp; flow.  There was a lot of really good music to come out of the underground during the 70&#039;s (the Jesus Music movement), most of which never made a mark commercially.  Listen to some of the more obscure Jesus Music groups of that time period, and you&#039;ll find some rather well-written music that sometimes suffers from slightly dodgy production or a vocalist that perhaps wasn&#039;t *quite* up to snuff.  Otherwise, most of the material coming out was quite good.  Then, you had the more prominent Jesus Music artists of the day (Larry Norman, Randy Stonehill, The Way, Love Song, Phil Keaggy, 2nd Chapter of Acts, early Daniel Amos) making great music that mostly stood up to the secular scene, even if it was a couple years behind the curve.

When the 80&#039;s hit, the whole &quot;rock &amp; roll is of the devil&quot; thing took place, so other than trail-blazers like Ressurection Band, Barnabas, Petra, Servant, and like-minded groups trying to stay current (again, even if they were a bit behind the curve), too many churches pushed back &amp; wanted nothing to do w/ those groups.  Only by the mid-80&#039;s were some of those artists accepted, and more innovative (or at least talented) artists like Steve Taylor, Whitecross, Stryper, etc. started to appear.

The 90&#039;s were an interesting time for &quot;Christian&quot; music, because not only did &quot;Christian&quot; hip-hop begin to get attention (no thanks to DC Talk), but &quot;alternative&quot; and grunge bands (like Grammatrain) began to crop up.  In addition, many of the Christian metal bands began to really hone their craft.  Look at bands like Deliverance, Tourniquet, Mortification, and Saviour Machine.  All fine examples of their respective genres, and groups that made great music while keeping things lyrically bold &amp; interesting at the same time.

The mid-90&#039;s brought the Christian hardcore scene, and with it the Tooth &amp; Nail phenomenon, which was a much-needed shot in the arm for Christian music.  It wasn&#039;t all &quot;Jesus-this and Jesus-that&quot; (to quote Lt. Dan), but stuff was beginning to be more introspective &amp; less &quot;preachy&quot; all the time.  Christian metal had retreated to the underground, but that&#039;s where it belonged, so new bands began to emerge that did great things, and old war-horses like Living Sacrifice reinvented themselves to great success (artically speaking).

The 2000&#039;s have been another interesting period, both with a rise in the popularity (&amp; marketability) of &quot;Christian&quot; music with bands like Skillet, Red, Thousand Foot Krutch, and the like getting mainstream radio play, but also of a lot more underground stuff (like the burgeoning Christian black metal scene, call it &quot;unblack&quot; if you wish).  In addition, the continued strength of the Christian hardcore scene proves that while the variety may not always be there, the passion &amp; conviction certainly are.

I didn&#039;t mean for this to turn into a history lesson, per se, but I think it&#039;s important to recognize the good here, from every decade specifically.  I&#039;d like to make a couple points about the current state of Christian music.

1.  The Christian hardcore scene DESTROYS the secular scene.  By that, I mean that the amount of passion, conviction, and QUALITY of material coming from Christian hardcore bands has, in the last 15 years, equaled or exceeded that coming from the secular hardcore underground.  Some would cite newer metalcore acts like Killswitch Engage, or bands like Shadows Fall as good examples in the secular scene, &amp; I would concur.  However, most of the bands in the secular scene are &quot;ventilators&quot;, or bands that use their music strictly as an outlet to vent their anger/frustration/etc &amp; less for making real statements about anything.  In addition, many bands associated w/ the &quot;Christian&quot; hardcore scene gain acclaim from regular hardcore kids (xLooking Forwardx being a good example) because they are good at what they do, &amp; they are steadfast in their convictions.  Basically, while I listen to very few hardcore &amp; metal bands in the secular scene, the Christian bands fill that gap nicely because they are quite good at what they do.

2.  There&#039;s nothing wrong w/ wearing your Christianity on your sleeve.  For some bands, that&#039;s the right thing to do.  That may be what they feel called to do.  Perhaps their goal of evangelism is incongruent w/ their ultra-bold lyrical approach (due to non-Christians usually being turned off by &quot;preachy&quot; lyrics), but I think we need to move past the bean counter approach (how many souls have you won?) &amp; look at the overall picture.  If a band feels led to make their lyrics really bold, they should do so because that is their conviction.  God will use them in a positive way regardless of their perceived &quot;cheesy&quot; approach.  If God wants to save souls via their influence, He will.  If He prefers that band be a &quot;feed the body&quot; type of group, they will.  We all respond differently to varying lyrical styles &amp; approaches, so despite my distaste for most of today&#039;s CCM (the praise-and-worship stuff, some of the lighter rock), I understand that there&#039;s an audience for it &amp; that God is using those people to further His work, either through ministering to the lost, or providing encouragement to His children.

What I&#039;m trying to say is that while much of the &quot;popular&quot; Christian music is more banal than not, there is merit to be found in some of it, and there is enough in the underground to keep you occupied, should CCM prove to be too trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are a couple things that need to be said here.  Firstly, I think many of you need to remember that &#8220;Christian&#8221; music has come a LONG way from what it was even just 10 years ago.  That&#8217;s not to say there wasn&#8217;t quality music coming out the last 10 years; certainly there was.  However, I think more &amp; more artists are less afraid to internalize their secular music influences &amp; process them in more interesting ways than before.</p>
<p>Secondly, we have to look at it as ebb &amp; flow.  There was a lot of really good music to come out of the underground during the 70&#8217;s (the Jesus Music movement), most of which never made a mark commercially.  Listen to some of the more obscure Jesus Music groups of that time period, and you&#8217;ll find some rather well-written music that sometimes suffers from slightly dodgy production or a vocalist that perhaps wasn&#8217;t *quite* up to snuff.  Otherwise, most of the material coming out was quite good.  Then, you had the more prominent Jesus Music artists of the day (Larry Norman, Randy Stonehill, The Way, Love Song, Phil Keaggy, 2nd Chapter of Acts, early Daniel Amos) making great music that mostly stood up to the secular scene, even if it was a couple years behind the curve.</p>
<p>When the 80&#8217;s hit, the whole &#8220;rock &amp; roll is of the devil&#8221; thing took place, so other than trail-blazers like Ressurection Band, Barnabas, Petra, Servant, and like-minded groups trying to stay current (again, even if they were a bit behind the curve), too many churches pushed back &amp; wanted nothing to do w/ those groups.  Only by the mid-80&#8217;s were some of those artists accepted, and more innovative (or at least talented) artists like Steve Taylor, Whitecross, Stryper, etc. started to appear.</p>
<p>The 90&#8217;s were an interesting time for &#8220;Christian&#8221; music, because not only did &#8220;Christian&#8221; hip-hop begin to get attention (no thanks to DC Talk), but &#8220;alternative&#8221; and grunge bands (like Grammatrain) began to crop up.  In addition, many of the Christian metal bands began to really hone their craft.  Look at bands like Deliverance, Tourniquet, Mortification, and Saviour Machine.  All fine examples of their respective genres, and groups that made great music while keeping things lyrically bold &amp; interesting at the same time.</p>
<p>The mid-90&#8217;s brought the Christian hardcore scene, and with it the Tooth &amp; Nail phenomenon, which was a much-needed shot in the arm for Christian music.  It wasn&#8217;t all &#8220;Jesus-this and Jesus-that&#8221; (to quote Lt. Dan), but stuff was beginning to be more introspective &amp; less &#8220;preachy&#8221; all the time.  Christian metal had retreated to the underground, but that&#8217;s where it belonged, so new bands began to emerge that did great things, and old war-horses like Living Sacrifice reinvented themselves to great success (artically speaking).</p>
<p>The 2000&#8217;s have been another interesting period, both with a rise in the popularity (&amp; marketability) of &#8220;Christian&#8221; music with bands like Skillet, Red, Thousand Foot Krutch, and the like getting mainstream radio play, but also of a lot more underground stuff (like the burgeoning Christian black metal scene, call it &#8220;unblack&#8221; if you wish).  In addition, the continued strength of the Christian hardcore scene proves that while the variety may not always be there, the passion &amp; conviction certainly are.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t mean for this to turn into a history lesson, per se, but I think it&#8217;s important to recognize the good here, from every decade specifically.  I&#8217;d like to make a couple points about the current state of Christian music.</p>
<p>1.  The Christian hardcore scene DESTROYS the secular scene.  By that, I mean that the amount of passion, conviction, and QUALITY of material coming from Christian hardcore bands has, in the last 15 years, equaled or exceeded that coming from the secular hardcore underground.  Some would cite newer metalcore acts like Killswitch Engage, or bands like Shadows Fall as good examples in the secular scene, &amp; I would concur.  However, most of the bands in the secular scene are &#8220;ventilators&#8221;, or bands that use their music strictly as an outlet to vent their anger/frustration/etc &amp; less for making real statements about anything.  In addition, many bands associated w/ the &#8220;Christian&#8221; hardcore scene gain acclaim from regular hardcore kids (xLooking Forwardx being a good example) because they are good at what they do, &amp; they are steadfast in their convictions.  Basically, while I listen to very few hardcore &amp; metal bands in the secular scene, the Christian bands fill that gap nicely because they are quite good at what they do.</p>
<p>2.  There&#8217;s nothing wrong w/ wearing your Christianity on your sleeve.  For some bands, that&#8217;s the right thing to do.  That may be what they feel called to do.  Perhaps their goal of evangelism is incongruent w/ their ultra-bold lyrical approach (due to non-Christians usually being turned off by &#8220;preachy&#8221; lyrics), but I think we need to move past the bean counter approach (how many souls have you won?) &amp; look at the overall picture.  If a band feels led to make their lyrics really bold, they should do so because that is their conviction.  God will use them in a positive way regardless of their perceived &#8220;cheesy&#8221; approach.  If God wants to save souls via their influence, He will.  If He prefers that band be a &#8220;feed the body&#8221; type of group, they will.  We all respond differently to varying lyrical styles &amp; approaches, so despite my distaste for most of today&#8217;s CCM (the praise-and-worship stuff, some of the lighter rock), I understand that there&#8217;s an audience for it &amp; that God is using those people to further His work, either through ministering to the lost, or providing encouragement to His children.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m trying to say is that while much of the &#8220;popular&#8221; Christian music is more banal than not, there is merit to be found in some of it, and there is enough in the underground to keep you occupied, should CCM prove to be too trying.</p>
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		<title>By: The Dane</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 10:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why can’t people talk, write, play music about life without speaking/ writing/singing about love and relationships? It just gets really, really old to the point of mundanes when you hear the same theme repeated over and over ad infinitum.

If literature were like that, there wouldn’t be any essays on economics, books by Noam Chomsky, etc. because they would all be using the same formula, which would eventually numb the minds of readers to the point of extinction.

The Danes last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/nowheresville/~3/284023120/2008_05_01_old1.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;20080505&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why can’t people talk, write, play music about life without speaking/ writing/singing about love and relationships? It just gets really, really old to the point of mundanes when you hear the same theme repeated over and over ad infinitum.</p>
<p>If literature were like that, there wouldn’t be any essays on economics, books by Noam Chomsky, etc. because they would all be using the same formula, which would eventually numb the minds of readers to the point of extinction.</p>
<p>The Danes last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/nowheresville/~3/284023120/2008_05_01_old1.php" rel="nofollow">20080505</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alan Noble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Noble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 15:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug,

Thanks for the comment. There are quite a few things I&#039;d like to address, but let me just point out something about your main objection. 

The last point, &quot;Spread the word&quot; refers to telling other people about what good music we find. It does not say, &quot;Spread the Word.&quot; Although I would not be opposed to Christians spreading the &quot;Word&quot; in music, what I had in mind was the idea that if we want music made by Christians to get better, we need to tell other people when we find good music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment. There are quite a few things I&#8217;d like to address, but let me just point out something about your main objection. </p>
<p>The last point, &#8220;Spread the word&#8221; refers to telling other people about what good music we find. It does not say, &#8220;Spread the Word.&#8221; Although I would not be opposed to Christians spreading the &#8220;Word&#8221; in music, what I had in mind was the idea that if we want music made by Christians to get better, we need to tell other people when we find good music.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 07:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your last comment I think will get you more bad than good press: &quot;#4 Spread the word.&quot;

As atheists, my group of friends have resorted to asking if the information, music, paper, website, is Christian based. If the answer is something like, &quot;Just see it, listen too it, read it, or yes. . . then we immediately pass it by. 

True, we may miss some genuinely good musicians, writers, etc, but we will not miss having rerun after rerun about theistic religious beliefs using the same formula as we&#039;ve heard 10, 000 times before. We know you love God, and that God loves us. We know you think you&#039;re going to Heaven. We know you think God works in strange ways and created the universe, etc., and on and on.

Why can&#039;t Christians talk, write, play music about life without preaching the Word? It just gets really, really old to the point of mundanes when you hear the same theme repeated over and over an infinitum.

If literature were like that, there wouldn&#039;t be any Faulkner&#039;s, Camus,&#039; etc. because they would all be using the same formula, which would eventually numb the minds of readers to the point of extinction.

I don&#039;t want nor need to get into a religious discussion about my beliefs, but I will say that as atheists we do not discount the possibility of a creator or creators. We simply believe that if there is a creator or creators,  then it is nothing like any theistically construed reality yet printed or believed. 

So in conclusion, I just wanted to pass along what we believe in the long run does more damage than good to any movement--repeating your beliefs to people over and over again using the same methods but changing the vectors--literature, music, politics, etc.

I know it&#039;s what you are suppose to do, but consider the above. Keep your faith, but please consider that reality is not a closed system and linear, and that repeating that belief may cause, ultimately, more damage than construction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your last comment I think will get you more bad than good press: &#8220;#4 Spread the word.&#8221;</p>
<p>As atheists, my group of friends have resorted to asking if the information, music, paper, website, is Christian based. If the answer is something like, &#8220;Just see it, listen too it, read it, or yes. . . then we immediately pass it by. </p>
<p>True, we may miss some genuinely good musicians, writers, etc, but we will not miss having rerun after rerun about theistic religious beliefs using the same formula as we&#8217;ve heard 10, 000 times before. We know you love God, and that God loves us. We know you think you&#8217;re going to Heaven. We know you think God works in strange ways and created the universe, etc., and on and on.</p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t Christians talk, write, play music about life without preaching the Word? It just gets really, really old to the point of mundanes when you hear the same theme repeated over and over an infinitum.</p>
<p>If literature were like that, there wouldn&#8217;t be any Faulkner&#8217;s, Camus,&#8217; etc. because they would all be using the same formula, which would eventually numb the minds of readers to the point of extinction.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want nor need to get into a religious discussion about my beliefs, but I will say that as atheists we do not discount the possibility of a creator or creators. We simply believe that if there is a creator or creators,  then it is nothing like any theistically construed reality yet printed or believed. </p>
<p>So in conclusion, I just wanted to pass along what we believe in the long run does more damage than good to any movement&#8211;repeating your beliefs to people over and over again using the same methods but changing the vectors&#8211;literature, music, politics, etc.</p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s what you are suppose to do, but consider the above. Keep your faith, but please consider that reality is not a closed system and linear, and that repeating that belief may cause, ultimately, more damage than construction.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Clare</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Clare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alan

Thanks for your reply. Here in the UK there is only a very small Christian music scene. Even looking in the Christian bookshops the vast majority of CD&#039;s are by American artists. 

I totally agree with you that Christian artists can sing about trees, tv etc and be speaking the truth however these days when I&#039;m listening to a christian band I like it when there is a discernable difference between them and a secular band. This is broadly what I think you are saying in your opening paragraph. In the UK there is definately the feeling that if a christian band wants to make the mainstream then they have to downplay their faith. 

I guess as i am getting older i am just looking for some depth to the music i listen to when it concerns my faith. When i listen to a christian artist sing about love i would like to hear something other than &#039;Love is good, hating sucks&#039; or if they sing about tv i don&#039;t want to hear &#039;Baywatch is my favourite show. I like to watch it in slo-mo&#039;

I totally take your point about the risk of a christian artist not singing explicitly about God running the risk of alienating their audience as this happened to Delirious when they released Mezzamorphis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alan</p>
<p>Thanks for your reply. Here in the UK there is only a very small Christian music scene. Even looking in the Christian bookshops the vast majority of CD&#8217;s are by American artists. </p>
<p>I totally agree with you that Christian artists can sing about trees, tv etc and be speaking the truth however these days when I&#8217;m listening to a christian band I like it when there is a discernable difference between them and a secular band. This is broadly what I think you are saying in your opening paragraph. In the UK there is definately the feeling that if a christian band wants to make the mainstream then they have to downplay their faith. </p>
<p>I guess as i am getting older i am just looking for some depth to the music i listen to when it concerns my faith. When i listen to a christian artist sing about love i would like to hear something other than &#8216;Love is good, hating sucks&#8217; or if they sing about tv i don&#8217;t want to hear &#8216;Baywatch is my favourite show. I like to watch it in slo-mo&#8217;</p>
<p>I totally take your point about the risk of a christian artist not singing explicitly about God running the risk of alienating their audience as this happened to Delirious when they released Mezzamorphis.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Noble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Noble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bert,

This comment is mostly an excuse for me to upload my avatar, since that is a new feature to CAPC, but I did want to point out that the topic of my post was not the poor quality of CCM out there, but how we can practically improve things. Perhaps I wasn&#039;t clear enough. I think your point about the lack of improvisation in modern music is an interesting observation. I hadn&#039;t thought much about that.

Richard,

Thanks for your comment and giving us a UK perspective! Speaking from (some, quite limited and amateur) &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.myspace.com/soberminded&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;experience&lt;/a&gt;, I can say that if a Christian artist refrains from explicitly singing (or raping) about God and their faith, fear is probably not the reason. In the current Christian music market, singing explicitly about God and faith will bring you more success, not less. So in this sense at least, whenever an artist who is a Christian doesn&#039;t sing explicitly about God, they are taking a serious risk at alienating a potential audience. 

In &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.myspace.com/soberminded&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;our case&lt;/a&gt;, we decided to openly rap about God and our faith when it was relevant, but we also talk about other things, since there are other things in life besides God (although He is Lord over all), like rocks, and trees, and love, and TV, etc.... 

I once had a listener message me and say that he liked our music but he wanted us to talk more about God and Christ and the Gospel. I wrote back and explained to him that the whole album is about Christ since it is from a Christian worldview. And I suspect that when people like Sufjan Stevens, for example, write songs that don&#039;t directly refer to God, he would tell you that all his songs are about God since they are all about the Truth.

-Alan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bert,</p>
<p>This comment is mostly an excuse for me to upload my avatar, since that is a new feature to CAPC, but I did want to point out that the topic of my post was not the poor quality of CCM out there, but how we can practically improve things. Perhaps I wasn&#8217;t clear enough. I think your point about the lack of improvisation in modern music is an interesting observation. I hadn&#8217;t thought much about that.</p>
<p>Richard,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment and giving us a UK perspective! Speaking from (some, quite limited and amateur) <a href="http://www.myspace.com/soberminded" rel="nofollow">experience</a>, I can say that if a Christian artist refrains from explicitly singing (or raping) about God and their faith, fear is probably not the reason. In the current Christian music market, singing explicitly about God and faith will bring you more success, not less. So in this sense at least, whenever an artist who is a Christian doesn&#8217;t sing explicitly about God, they are taking a serious risk at alienating a potential audience. </p>
<p>In <a href="http://www.myspace.com/soberminded" rel="nofollow">our case</a>, we decided to openly rap about God and our faith when it was relevant, but we also talk about other things, since there are other things in life besides God (although He is Lord over all), like rocks, and trees, and love, and TV, etc&#8230;. </p>
<p>I once had a listener message me and say that he liked our music but he wanted us to talk more about God and Christ and the Gospel. I wrote back and explained to him that the whole album is about Christ since it is from a Christian worldview. And I suspect that when people like Sufjan Stevens, for example, write songs that don&#8217;t directly refer to God, he would tell you that all his songs are about God since they are all about the Truth.</p>
<p>-Alan</p>
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